By Mark Gonzales SEATTLE -- The White Sox's closer's role is open after Bobby Jenks blew a lead for the second time on this 10-game trip.
"Our options are open now," manager Ozzie Guillen said Wednesday night after Jenks allowed a two-run single to Franklin Gutierrez with one out in the 11th inning as Seattle handed the Sox a 2-1 loss.
"I get paid to win games. That's my job, win games. And I'm going to put the guys there with the best shot."
Guillen was blunt in expressing what he saw Wednesday night from Jenks, who pitched a scoreless inning Tuesday but has allowed seven runs on seven hits while walking two in 2 2/3 innings covering his past four outings since the All-Star break.
Photo: Closer Bobby Jenks on the mound in the 11th inning. (AP / Ted S. Warren)
"Nothing," Guillen said. "His velocity is not there, they feel very comfortable against him. I keep saying, closing is not an easy job. But in the meanwhile, even yesterday when he got people out we made a couple plays on the field.
"Right now, I tell you how I feel. That's part of the game. In the meanwhile, we fight hard. I feel for him, like everyone else here. We win together, we lose together. But in the meanwhile, I wish he'd throw the ball better because of the last couple outings. Not because we lose the game, but because I don't see anything on the ball."
After Jenks gave up a game-winning home run to Toronto's Fred Lewis on May 9, Guillen opened the closer's role. But Jenks never lost the role and coverted 15 consecutive save chances until Wednesday night's loss.
He allowed a bunt single to Jack Wilson to start the inning. Chone Figgins hit a one-out single that moved to Wilson to third. After Figgins stole second, Gutierrez ripped his game-winning single up the middle.
But unlike Sunday's meltdown at Minnesota, Jenks said he felt strong.
"Things just didn't work out," Jenks said. "The other day in Minnesota, that was on me. But today, I felt good. I made pitches, they just got hit today."
Jenks didn't believe there was a dip in his velocity. "No, I was throwing sinkers," Jenks said.
Nevertheless, Jenks has only one strikeout in his past three outings.
That's another reason why Guillen will opt for a committee in save situations. J.J. Putz, a former closer with Seattle, has hurled 25 consecutive scoreless innings, and right-handed hitters are batting .110 against him.
All-Star Matt Thornton hasn't been scored upon in 15 consecutive outings, and left-handers are batting .174 against him. Guillen said he would consider Sergio Santos if needed in a save situation.
"When I did it last time, it worked out again because all of a sudden we come back and I put him in the eighth inning and I like the way he threw the ball and I put him back in the closing spot," Guillen said.
"We're a better club with Bobby as the closer. But in the meanwhile, we got a few options and we're going to see what the options are and see if we can regroup him, put him in the situation like we did last time and we see what happens." Jenks said it was one of his more frustrating days because he claimed that the Mariners' hitters "just seemed to put it in the right place when they needed to."
As for the scrutiny: "It comes with the territory," Jenks said. "It's part of the job. I'm trying to think of some good answers. The team battled their (rears) off all game long, and on days like that it's when you feel the worst."
"Right now, I tell you how I feel. That's part of the game. In the meanwhile, we fight hard. I feel for him, like everyone else here. We win together, we lose together. But in the meanwhile, I wish he'd throw the ball better because of the last couple outings. Not because we lose the game, but because I don't see anything on the ball."
After Jenks gave up a game-winning home run to Toronto's Fred Lewis on May 9, Guillen opened the closer's role. But Jenks never lost the role and coverted 15 consecutive save chances until Wednesday night's loss.
He allowed a bunt single to Jack Wilson to start the inning. Chone Figgins hit a one-out single that moved to Wilson to third. After Figgins stole second, Gutierrez ripped his game-winning single up the middle.
But unlike Sunday's meltdown at Minnesota, Jenks said he felt strong.
"Things just didn't work out," Jenks said. "The other day in Minnesota, that was on me. But today, I felt good. I made pitches, they just got hit today."
Jenks didn't believe there was a dip in his velocity. "No, I was throwing sinkers," Jenks said.
Nevertheless, Jenks has only one strikeout in his past three outings.
That's another reason why Guillen will opt for a committee in save situations. J.J. Putz, a former closer with Seattle, has hurled 25 consecutive scoreless innings, and right-handed hitters are batting .110 against him.
All-Star Matt Thornton hasn't been scored upon in 15 consecutive outings, and left-handers are batting .174 against him. Guillen said he would consider Sergio Santos if needed in a save situation.
"When I did it last time, it worked out again because all of a sudden we come back and I put him in the eighth inning and I like the way he threw the ball and I put him back in the closing spot," Guillen said.
"We're a better club with Bobby as the closer. But in the meanwhile, we got a few options and we're going to see what the options are and see if we can regroup him, put him in the situation like we did last time and we see what happens." Jenks said it was one of his more frustrating days because he claimed that the Mariners' hitters "just seemed to put it in the right place when they needed to."
As for the scrutiny: "It comes with the territory," Jenks said. "It's part of the job. I'm trying to think of some good answers. The team battled their (rears) off all game long, and on days like that it's when you feel the worst."
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Jenks got hit hard his last game, his pitches were perfect for the hitter, right down the middle of the plate. This is a good team, nice hitting and pitching, except for Jenks right now. Find another role for him until he can get right. Last thing the Sox need is to have this blind loyalty and keep putting him in there to lose games. This division is probably going down to the last week again and every win is huge.
What the Sox SHOULD do is trade Bobby Jinx and BeckHAM to the Brew Crew for Fielder. At least that fatso can hit and he's handsome. And in a ump like the Cell, he'll hit 100 homers. Mercy
The 2010 seasi is what it is, they made a decent run before the all star break, but it's ovaaaaaa. Time to start rebuilding and Fatty boy fatty Jenks needs to hit the road with his case of PBR and box of donuts. It's a shame he can't juice up anymore, look at the slob.
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You sure have a point about Fielder, I did a little research on him, and I don't care if he was Rogers Hornsby, I wouldn't want him in the clubhouse, he is a total nutcase and would be worse to be around than Carlos Zambrino
From what I could find out he is a lazy, overweight, troblemaker, that is the last thing that the Sox need right now, and is suing his father, Cecil, for two hundred thousand dollars that he says he stole from his signing bonus to play the horses. Kerist!
As far as Jenks goes -- Trade him? "Not by the hair of his chinny, chin, chin!" OMG, ROTFLMAO.
"Hey! Dragon, you're not funny, now pop me another Bud Lite."
Sir Dragon of Mulberry
STICK WITH THE SOX
ldc on July 22, 2010 1:54 PM
I'm not crying.
I'm simply suggesting that people actually post on baseball as opposed to hurl personal insults.
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Oh shut the hell up you stupid wanker.
Soxfan on July 22, 2010 1:57 PM
Why not trade him and 1 minor leaguer for Dunn
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Because there is no reason for Washington to want an overweight, overpaid ineffective closer when they have one who is much better than Jenks for less than half the money. And the Brewers wouldn't take him for free.
What happened to the 'slimmed down' Jenks?Todays picture shows his belly hanging over his belt.He must have put on 25 pounds since spring training.Get rid of the overpaid,overwight slob.NOW
Gosh I spell bad sorry.
jenks just makes me sick!!!
I said yesterday before the game Jenks scares me and isnt closer material at this time. He looked terrible against Min. giving up 4 runs in 1 inning and yesterday they hit him hard again.. A couple of defensive plays save him early , but he needs to sit ..
Why not trade him and 1 minor leaguer for Dunn or to some other team they want a bat from like Milwaukee. I said yesterday that what I saw in Hudson made me hopeful we got a kild that people cant hit. His release and movement are very good.. I ll bet if other teams dont see him much , he could replace Jenks.. he couldnt be any worse .. We still got Torton and JJ.. Jenks cost us 2 valuable hames.. We should be 4.5 game up now.
Get rid of fatty boy . Id they wont hit him they will bunt him to death with a slow omar and Ski and especially Kenks out there .
Keep Hudson .. I bet he will be good until teams see him a few times.
I'm not crying.
I'm simply suggesting that people actually post on baseball as opposed to hurl personal insults.
If I am occasionally guilty of throwing my own jab, I apologize.
But I am not the one bringing down the discussion by calling everyone gay, or posting under different names.
Here we are hours later, and no one has answered my question.
Why should the White Sox panic because Bobby Jenks is struggling?
I agree with Richard.
The Sox do not have to trade him. They don't have to do anything with him.
They have three potential closers on the roster, one who has extensive experience in the role.
There is nothing wrong with shuffling the order, reducing Jenks to early inning work until he returns to form.
Putz, Thornton and Santos can handle the back end duties, with Pena working in long-situations.
Again, there is no need to panic over this, in my opinion.
If you have a reason why it is panic time, please tell.
It's easy to offer the idea of trading Jenks. The difficult part is identifying teams in need of a reliever or set-up man who want him. Additionally, would the Sox want what is being offered in return? The Sox don't have to trade Jenks. They can sit him on the DL, move him to middle relief, designate him for assignment, or place him on waivers. If you think he should be traded, follow that statement up with a team and what the Sox would get in return.
It's easy to keep saying "Jenks has to go", "package Jenks in a deal", etc. The difficult thing to consider is what team is in need of either a reliever or set-up man and is also willing to make a trade? In addition, do the Sox want who they are willing to send over for Jenks? The Sox don't have to trade Jenks. They can move him to middle relief, sit him for a bit on the DL, place him on waivers, or designate him for assignment. Whoever is saying to trade him, man-up and say to which team and for who? You need to complete the trade scenario to hold any validity to your argument.
Good grief even Trick or Threets was better than Jenks as he struck out the side before the meltdown.
Somebody call BALCO!
I would go with Putz as the regular closer right now. Use Thornton only in certain lefty match-up situation. The Sox do not have enough quality lefties in the pen to hold Thornton only until the 9th inning.
I've had it with Jenks. Minnesota was bad enough, but last night was the final straw. Putz and especially Thornton should be the closers. How hard can it be to see that?! Why does Ozzie use Thornton so sparingly?
Time for Jenks to go.
Why is it that it's always the worst offenders complaining about what they are doing? ldc is by far the worst instigator on this board and is ALWAYS crying about everyone else. it's POS's like him that ruin these forums for everyone.
Wow. Complainers 6th grade nonsense littering... and others are insulting people they do not know? This just in: Pot calls kettle black. Does everyone have to pass a depth test before they comment? I did contribute a really weird idea, swapping Thorton and Putz for righty/lefty changes... It would make Ozzie go down as a genius or the biggest lunatic to ever manage. Maybe both. LOL
ldc on July 22, 2010 10:47 AM
Or are your lives so shallow that you have nothing better to do than to insult people you don't know on a webblog
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He says as he insults people he doesn't know on a webblog.
Here's a novel idea . . .
Instead of littering this board with 6th grade nonsense, how about you complainers actually contribute something thoughtful to the board for once?
The White Sox should panic? Why?
Or are your lives so shallow that you have nothing better to do than to insult people you don't know on a webblog, because you cant deal with the fact the White Sox are winning?
Here's a novel idea . . .
Instead of littering this board with 6th grade nonsense, how about you complainers actually contribute something thoughtful to the board for once?
The White Sox should panic? Why?
Or are your lives so shallow that you have nothing better to do than to insult people you don't know on a webblog, because you cant deal with the fact the White Sox are winning?
7.5 million for the pig, nice move Kenny.
And yes, I am fatter than Bobby.
JAH: Why all the 'fat boy' references? What does that have to do with anything? Are you trying to say body size/style is directly proportionate to on-field performance? If so, you are not thinking too clearly (consider C.C. Sabathia, Prince Fielder, Babe Ruth, etc.). Listen, Jenks was good for a decent stretch for the Sox. He wasn't amazing, but closers rarely are. Not every closer is Mariano Rivera. Realistically, Jenks has been a solid option for the Sox. With the current bullpen, however, the Sox have options with Putz and Thornton- that hasn't existed since Bobby got to town.
I think we should give Linebrink a shot. Think about it, when Linebrink was at his best he was a closer. So if we want him to be his best again we should use him our closer. It's so easy, I hope they see that this is the only smart move.
Jenks has to go; he's not effective anymore. It's the same old routine every outing: walk a batter, hit a batter, give up a hit, give up a run, walk another batter, etc., etc. Dump his a$$, and dump Linebrink along with him.
Since someone mentioned it, I think we should look into the possibility of trading Jenks and Linebrink for Wilbur Wood. Repairing the knee with modern medicine, I'm assuming, will give him the ability to cover bunts better than Jenks can with his uhhhhhhh situation. I suggest liposuction for Bobby. It couldn't hurt!
WVW on July 22, 2010 9:39 AM
ldc on July 22, 2010 9:28 AM
I don't think there is any need for panic.
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Amen to that.
Each deserve diminished roles? What is it about Linebrink that makes people believe he can pitch? That guy is pulling in millions for contributing nothing. I could pitch that well and I'll do it for $100,000 a year and room and board. He needs to be traded for a dozen maple bats. It's not supposed to be what you know... it's supposed to be who you know that counts. But Linebrink leaves me wondering WHAT he knows about WHO he knows.
ldc on July 22, 2010 9:28 AM
I don't think there is any need for panic.
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Fruitcake.
Okay, I'm nuts. Everyone needs to know that before they read this and call me on it. I am aware I'm nuts. Here's my creative little brainstorm. At closing time, bring in either Putz or Thorton, depending on lefty/righty situation. When a hitter comes up that bats opposite, bring in the other pitcher and put Putz or Thorton at first base. Switch them when it changes again. I know! Nuts! But give me this, it's creative.
I don't think there is any need for panic.
1) It's clear Jenks will be moved out of the closer spot for the time being, and it will be increasingly difficult to give him the position back if Putz/Thornton does well.
Ozzie changed closers twice in 2005, so there is no reason to think he's unwilling to do so this year.
Keep in mind that at the time of Jenks first meltdown, no one was pitching very well, besides Santos.
Putz and Thornton have been unhittable, Santos has proven he is at least a capable set up, and even Pena has been servicable. Threets looked good last night too.
Worst case? Jenks is given Santos' role. And you have a proven closer as a sixth inning guy.
2) I'd look into trades for Jenks. An NL contender with bullpen issues may be willing to take a risk on him in exchange for an underperforming bat. But I wouldn't move him just to move him.
He is still better than just about anyone you are going to bring into the organization.
You also may not get much for him at this point.
I know he and Linebrink have struggled, and each deserve diminished roles, but you could do a lot worse with your fifth and sixth guys out of the pen.
Jenks should be moved to middle relief immediately to work out his issues.
Ozwaldo knows this, and he will take appropriate action.
That loss was more brutal than the meltdown in Minnesota. The Sox played their hearts out. I can't imagine being on the field all those innings and then see it slip away in the blink of a Fat Man's eye. On the bright side, the pitching - aside from Nutrisystem boy - has been brilliant. Putz hasn't given up a run in a century (why wasn't he put in there last night?), and Danks and Floyd just combined for 14 2/3 scoreless innings. The pitching staff, other than lard as#s, might be better than the staff of 2005. Certainly the bullpen is deeper.
JENKS IS TOO FAT.
He looks like a pregnant Carlos Zambrano with fruity hair
Fat boy had his day, thanks for '05. But now he's a sloppy waste of talent. I'm not sure how something so obvious gets overlooked by the Sox, makes me seroiusly question the decision making around there. This has been a long time coming. Unfortunately, he's probably not going to be worth much in a trade so the Sox may have to get creative with him. Whatever the case, get him out of here asap!
Package Jenks and Linebrink for a dozen bats.
The worst part of the inning was that Jenks had no shot on the bunt by Wilson. He is at least 50 lbs overweight. It's a shame the Sox allow him to play at such a ridiculous weight. Please consider this Sox fans if you're clamoring for Prince Fielder. I bet Jenks' teammates are tired of his lazy, waste of talent behind as well.
Well, it was a good run kiddies, but like I've been saying all along, the Sox can't keep up the winning pace and the Twins and Tigers aren't going to keep losing at this pace either.
The Sox aren't championship material and last night's game proved it. I almost spilled my Miller Hi Life when fatboy blew it again.....
Time to jump off the Sox bandwagon and on to football!!! GO PACK!!!!
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To tell you the truth, I think Ozzie has lost his mind.
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STICK WITH THE SOX
We've all seen this show before, and frankly I'm tired of reruns. Bobby has to go. KW should trade him for whatever he can get; maybe Bobby can be included in a deal for Fielder or Dunn or somebody, or maybe we can get a couple of cases of beer for him.
The thing that worries me the most about Bobby is his velocity. Admittedly, I did not see Bobby's outings either of the past two nights, but going off of MLB Gameday and what I've heard around baseball is that Jenks' velocity seemed to dip last night.
This tells me one of two things. Either Jenks has a mechanical thing which is sapping speed off his fastball, or Jenks is trying to get too cute by throwing sinkers and curves too often. In my opinion, the former is bad, but the latter is worse. If Jenks has a mechanical problem, he needs to sit and get it worked out while either Thornton or Putz closes. If Jenks is screwing around throwing too much junk, he needs to get smacked around so he can get back to overpowering hitters (also while Thornton or Putz closes).
In either case though, Jenks needs to get out of the way and let the rest of the bullpen do what it has been, and that's getting people out. Santos was very good last night, Threets was terrific (and is quickly making me forget about Randy Williams), and Putz continues to blow people away. Restructure the bullpen immediately, and unload Jenks as soon as you can.
P.S. Sorry if there's a double post. My computer seems to have done something screwy.
Fat man has to go - give him away for whatever they can get. He is an out of shape lazy dude. If he cared he would take better care of himself. Simple. Make him throw beer cans - them he would have strikes and velocity. Pitiful and brutal. Send him to the Cubs their fans like beer and pot belly.
I wonder what all the fat boy supporters are saying now!Jenks is horrendous ,its time Sox package him in a deal . If he did his job the Sox would be 5 1/2 up on Twins & 4 1/2 on Detroit now. Even when Jenks was closing games he seldom went through a inning without any dramas.Fat boy had his moments with Sox especially in 05 but it appears he's had one too many cheeseburgers.
I would almost bet my 2005 world series cap that we don't see Jenks in a closing situation in Oakland. The winning hit came on a pitch that looked good for batting practice. It's got to be physical or mechanical. If it's the latter, let Coop fix him, if not sit him. He's a detriment.
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