It may have not taken 10 mins but it was at least 7 to 8 mins......everyone includin myself was in the UC sittin there waiting....they even played the replay on the Jumbo and the shot looked good...lookin at other replays you could see the ball at the end of his fingertips on one hand. The point is the rulebook states that the refs have 2 minutes MAX to review and make a decision....but they somehow got to break those rules....Bulls got screwed.
Conclusive evidence must come from video - not a newspaper photo or any other form of media. There is no way you can tell from any of the video angles - DEFINITIVELY - that Miller's hand/finger was still touching the ball. A camera hanging from the ceiling is the one that gave the 'definitive' view? Are you kidding me? The call was terrible. If the call on the floor had been that the shot did not count, you would not have been able to overturn it using the footage either - for sure. But if the onus is placed on the refs to reverse a call using conclusive evidence, then that is not what happened last night. The refs were awful the whole night (unless grabbing another player's ankle is now legal - in which case, I retract my statement) and I'm not surprised they botched this last call as well. My only caveat to losing is that the Bulls could have easily won this game by making free throws. So in that sense, we didn't deserve to win necessarily. Call was still bad, though.
The call was good. On TV, yo could see the frame-by-frame view and he clearly had fingertips on the ball when the red light came on.
There are no doubts. Zero. Zilch. Referees got this one right. And hey, it didn't take 10 minutes. It maybe took five (but more likely three) minutes max. I know because I didn't have 10 minutes to watch the refs decide on the replay. It seemed long, but I know from how much time I had (I was at work) that it didn't take nearly 10 minutes.
You gotta love Chauncey Billups' quote though, about the Bulls dancing around like they just made the Sweet 16!
After looking at a photo published on the Chicago Tribune's websits, IT IS conclusive that Miller still had legal possession of the ball as time expired! Good effort though by the Bulls to attempt such a shot.
It took 10 minutes to make the call? - doesn't sound like there was conclusive or at least obvious evidence on the replays to overturn the call on the floor. I would suggest that replay deliberations need a shot clock. If you can't figure it out in a couple of minutes, then the call on the floor should stand.
The refs did a poor job all game, but I'd be OK with that if they were consistent. We go along through the whole game lamenting the poor calls but nothing ever changes. However, they looked at the replay for 10 minutes before making the change. Here is an argument for no instant replay. As a fan, I'd be willing to accept the calls and the human foibles of the refs as long as they don't use instant replay. Sure, it's going to go against us from time to time, but the law of averages says that it all evens up. No call should take 10 minutes to make. That's an indication that they should leave it alone.
It's clear. He still had his finger tips on the ball when the light went off. It's a tough loss but it's the right call and THAT is what you want to happen - win or lose. Who wants to win on a BAD call? That's not the point of athletics. Get them next time - don't let it come down to the last shot.
Yeap finally someone that makes sense here (Joe). Bulls fans please understand that with only 0.6 seconds left in the clock you have not enough time to establish possession on a missed free throw, call time out and still have 0.3 seconds on the clock. THIS is insane!!!! SORRY I understand you put a lot of effort and had a chance to win over a better Nuggets team; however that last play should never had happened because the game was OVER when Billups intentionaly missed his free throw!!!
So stop crying, at the end the result was fair and you didn't deserve to winb anyways.
Anyone who thinks that NBA officiating is pure and Tim Donaghy isn't telling the truth is an idiot.
Those refs had an angle in the result last night. Otherwise, no team would ever have that happen at home. You think they'd call off that shot if it was the Lakers in LA?
Nothing's going to change until fans stop buying this product. I no longer follow the NBA with any regularity because of this. Do people realize the NBA sued Donaghy's publisher to stop his book from coming out? Insane.
What the Bulls fans (especially those who just watch the video and did not see the game) don't see is with 0.6 seconds left how only 0.3 of a second went off the clock on the rebound of Billips missed free throw. Rules state you must have full possession of the ball before a timeout can be called - so with 0.6 of a second left it is impossible to get the rebound, establish control and get the timeout in 0.3 of a second. Fairs fair on this one - game should have already been over.
The biggest point in this - the ref's called the shot GOOD as soon as it happened. They would have needed evidence to overturn it, and that evidence isn't in the video. If anything, it looks more like it was good than otherwise, so how they overturned their original call I do not know. Awful call.
I did not see the game on TV. I'm only looking at *this* replay online, and these clips are not conclusive, so I hope the refs saw more than we do here. They really needed to see it frame-by-frame before and after the release of the shot with the backboard in the background to see when the red light came on. HOWEVER, if it took the three of them ten minutes, unless there was a technical glitch in replay, it's hard to make a case for the call being conclusive.
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It may have not taken 10 mins but it was at least 7 to 8 mins......everyone includin myself was in the UC sittin there waiting....they even played the replay on the Jumbo and the shot looked good...lookin at other replays you could see the ball at the end of his fingertips on one hand. The point is the rulebook states that the refs have 2 minutes MAX to review and make a decision....but they somehow got to break those rules....Bulls got screwed.
Conclusive evidence must come from video - not a newspaper photo or any other form of media. There is no way you can tell from any of the video angles - DEFINITIVELY - that Miller's hand/finger was still touching the ball. A camera hanging from the ceiling is the one that gave the 'definitive' view? Are you kidding me? The call was terrible. If the call on the floor had been that the shot did not count, you would not have been able to overturn it using the footage either - for sure. But if the onus is placed on the refs to reverse a call using conclusive evidence, then that is not what happened last night. The refs were awful the whole night (unless grabbing another player's ankle is now legal - in which case, I retract my statement) and I'm not surprised they botched this last call as well. My only caveat to losing is that the Bulls could have easily won this game by making free throws. So in that sense, we didn't deserve to win necessarily. Call was still bad, though.
refs would never pull such sh*** to lakers in LA!!!
The call was good. On TV, yo could see the frame-by-frame view and he clearly had fingertips on the ball when the red light came on.
There are no doubts. Zero. Zilch. Referees got this one right. And hey, it didn't take 10 minutes. It maybe took five (but more likely three) minutes max. I know because I didn't have 10 minutes to watch the refs decide on the replay. It seemed long, but I know from how much time I had (I was at work) that it didn't take nearly 10 minutes.
You gotta love Chauncey Billups' quote though, about the Bulls dancing around like they just made the Sweet 16!
After looking at a photo published on the Chicago Tribune's websits, IT IS conclusive that Miller still had legal possession of the ball as time expired! Good effort though by the Bulls to attempt such a shot.
It took 10 minutes to make the call? - doesn't sound like there was conclusive or at least obvious evidence on the replays to overturn the call on the floor. I would suggest that replay deliberations need a shot clock. If you can't figure it out in a couple of minutes, then the call on the floor should stand.
The refs did a poor job all game, but I'd be OK with that if they were consistent. We go along through the whole game lamenting the poor calls but nothing ever changes. However, they looked at the replay for 10 minutes before making the change. Here is an argument for no instant replay. As a fan, I'd be willing to accept the calls and the human foibles of the refs as long as they don't use instant replay. Sure, it's going to go against us from time to time, but the law of averages says that it all evens up. No call should take 10 minutes to make. That's an indication that they should leave it alone.
It was the right call. Miller was still touching the ball when the clock expired.
It's clear. He still had his finger tips on the ball when the light went off. It's a tough loss but it's the right call and THAT is what you want to happen - win or lose. Who wants to win on a BAD call? That's not the point of athletics. Get them next time - don't let it come down to the last shot.
Yeap finally someone that makes sense here (Joe). Bulls fans please understand that with only 0.6 seconds left in the clock you have not enough time to establish possession on a missed free throw, call time out and still have 0.3 seconds on the clock. THIS is insane!!!! SORRY I understand you put a lot of effort and had a chance to win over a better Nuggets team; however that last play should never had happened because the game was OVER when Billups intentionaly missed his free throw!!!
So stop crying, at the end the result was fair and you didn't deserve to winb anyways.
Anyone who thinks that NBA officiating is pure and Tim Donaghy isn't telling the truth is an idiot.
Those refs had an angle in the result last night. Otherwise, no team would ever have that happen at home. You think they'd call off that shot if it was the Lakers in LA?
Nothing's going to change until fans stop buying this product. I no longer follow the NBA with any regularity because of this. Do people realize the NBA sued Donaghy's publisher to stop his book from coming out? Insane.
Completely agree with Adam!
What the Bulls fans (especially those who just watch the video and did not see the game) don't see is with 0.6 seconds left how only 0.3 of a second went off the clock on the rebound of Billips missed free throw. Rules state you must have full possession of the ball before a timeout can be called - so with 0.6 of a second left it is impossible to get the rebound, establish control and get the timeout in 0.3 of a second. Fairs fair on this one - game should have already been over.
The biggest point in this - the ref's called the shot GOOD as soon as it happened. They would have needed evidence to overturn it, and that evidence isn't in the video. If anything, it looks more like it was good than otherwise, so how they overturned their original call I do not know. Awful call.
It was a good shot.
with a few mille seconds to spare.
Any Bozo could see that.
The refs are blind.
I did not see the game on TV. I'm only looking at *this* replay online, and these clips are not conclusive, so I hope the refs saw more than we do here. They really needed to see it frame-by-frame before and after the release of the shot with the backboard in the background to see when the red light came on. HOWEVER, if it took the three of them ten minutes, unless there was a technical glitch in replay, it's hard to make a case for the call being conclusive.
This is ridiculous! That was good! How could the refs screw this up?
well, it sure looked good to me, watched it like 5 times and it looked good. to get ripped like that at HOME hurts big time!